The Game Before the Money: Oral History of Pro and College Football

Packers Legend Jerry Kramer Part 1

Fri, 03 Apr 2026 11:38:18 -0600

Green Bay Packers Hall of Fame guard Jerry Kramer shares about his life growing up in Idaho and his earliest days with the Packers.

Devin Hester Chicago Bears Hall of Famer

Fri, 06 Feb 2026 14:54:26 -0600

Devin Hester shares famous moments of his Hall of Fame NFL career and highlights Mike Ditka's Gridiron Greats Assistance Fund with host Michael Jackson. Also, learn how to win a trip to next year's Super Bowl from Southern Recipe pork rinds!

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Joe DeLamielleure Hall of Fame OL Bills Browns

Tue, 20 Jan 2026 09:32:12 -0600

Joe DeLamielleure shares about his NFL career, attending classic NFL games as a youth (including Super Bowl III), and why he chose Michigan State over Michigan and Notre Dame.

The Game Before the Money is hosted by football historian Michael Jackson. The Game Before the Money Oral History Foundation is a registered 501 (c) 3 nonprofit. Learn more at TheGameBeforeTheMoney.com .

Welcome to 2026!

Tue, 06 Jan 2026 10:15:08 -0600

Host/Producer Michael Jackson introduces exciting things ahead for The Game Before the Money Podcast. Happy New Year!

Tales of a 1970s NFL Trainer

Mon, 24 Nov 2025 12:32:22 -0600

John Lopez, former NFL trainer for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Baltimore Colts, discusses his career. He shares memories of Hall of Famer Lee Roy Selmon, the Buccaneers first year in the NFL, and how medicine has changed in the NFL since the 1970s. He also talks about legendary Colts trainer Eddie Block and what it was like for players and staff when the Colts moved from Baltimore to Indianapolis.

The Game Before the Money Podcast is hosted by Michael Jackson. The Game Before the Money Oral History Foundation is a 501 c 3 nonprofit. Learn more at TheGameBeforeTheMoney.com.

Ep 108: Packers Defense 6 First Quarter Points Given Up Through First 9 Games!

Thu, 13 Nov 2025 22:34:59 -0600

The 2025 Packers only gave up 6 first-quarter points TOTAL through the first 9 games of the 2025 NFL season. How does that incredible stat compare against some of the NFL's all-time greatest defenses? Host Michael Jackson compares this stat against teams like the 1985 Bears, 1976 Steelers, 1962 Packers, 2007 Patriots, 2000 Ravens, and a few other of the best defenses in NFL history. While the Packers are only 5-3-1 after 9 games, how does their amazing first-quarter point stat stack up historically?

Ep 107: NCAA Coach Roundtable Part 2

Fri, 29 Aug 2025 15:31:08 -0600

NCAA football coaches Steve Sarkisian of Texas, Mike Elko of Texas A&M, Sonny Dykes of TCU, Rhett Lashlee of SMU, Dave Aranda of Baylor, Willie Fritz of Houston, Joey McGuire of Texas Tech, and Jeff Traylor of UTSA discuss their thoughts on the 2025 NCAA football season and how new rules surrounding paying players affect the game on and off the field. Part 2 of 2. Excerpts taken from the Texas High School Coaches Association press conferences in July of 2025.

The show is hosted by Michael Jackson. Learn more about the podcast and Michael at TheGameBeforeTheMoney.com.

Ep 106: NCAA Coaches Roundtable on Revenue Sharing and the Salary Cap

Fri, 01 Aug 2025 15:14:13 -0600

Head coaches Steve Sarkisian of Texas, Mike Elko of Texas A&M, Rhett Lashlee of SMU, Sonny Dykes of TCU, Dave Aranda of Baylor, Joey McGuire of Texas Tech, and Willie Fritz of Houston discuss the effects of money in college football. Quotes were recorded at press conferences during the Texas High School Coaches Association convention in San Antonio. This is a real-time look at history in the making as these coaches discuss the rule changes in college football and how they affect recruiting, incoming freshmen, and their teams.

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Ep 105: Randy Cross Talks 49ers UCLA

Mon, 23 Jun 2025 10:41:45 -0600

Randy Cross, starting 49ers OL during their greatest seasons, shares memories of the Catch, Super Bowl 23, and gives insight as to why the 49ers were a dynasty. He also remembers his upbringing and his college days at UCLA under head coach Dick Vermeil.

The Game Before the Money Oral History Foundation is a 501 (c) 3 non-profit. The podcast is hosted by Michael Jackson. Learn more at TheGameBeforeTheMoney.com.

Ep 104: 2025 NFL Draft and Draft History with Upton Bell

Wed, 23 Apr 2025 10:37:18 -0600

Former NFL executive Upton Bell shares memories of his father, NFL Commissioner Bert Bell, creating the NFL Draft and early draft memories as well as his time drafting players for Hall of Fame coach Don Shula. Plus, who is the top player in the 2025 NFL Draft and fantastic firsthand accounts of Jackie Robinson as a football player and how he might have fared in the NFL.

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Ep 103: Super Bowl 59 and NFL Dynasties with Upton Bell

Mon, 03 Feb 2025 20:43:03 -0600

Upton Bell gives his insights about the NFL dynasties he's witnessed since the 1940s, when he father Bert Bell was NFL Commissioner. He also previews Super Bowl 59 with host Michael Jackson.

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Ep 102: Thurman Thomas Buffalo Bills Hall of Famer

Thu, 16 Jan 2025 18:39:35 -0600

Hall of Fame running back Thurman Thomas shares great stories of helping lead the Buffalo Bills to four Super Bowls and his college days at Oklahoma State. He also tells you how to win a trip to next year's Super Bowl in a contest hosted by Pork Rind Appreciation Day and Gridiron Greats.

The Game Before the Money Podcast is hosted and produced by Michael Jackson. Learn more at TheGameBeforeTheMoney.com.

Ep 101: Upton Bell Chats Great RBs and NFL Playoff Preview

Fri, 10 Jan 2025 20:28:21 -0600

Upton Bell previews the 2024 NFL Playoffs and remembers the NFL's greatest running backs and their performances.

The Game Before the Money Oral History Foundation is a 501 c 3 nonprofit. Learn more at TheGameBeforeTheMoney.com. Host Michael Jackson (aka Jackson Michael) produces this podcast.

Ep 100: Richmond Webb Dolphins OL Legend

Sat, 23 Nov 2024 08:39:53 -0600

Richmond Webb, a Miami Dolphins and Texas A&M legend, discusses his career in NCAA and the NFL. Webb is a semi-finalist for the Pro Football Hall of Fame 2025 class. He shares about blocking for Dan Marino, playing for head coach Don Shula and his college coaches Jackie Sherrill and R.C. Slocum.

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Ep 99: NFL Agent Bryan Ehrlich

Fri, 15 Nov 2024 10:47:51 -0600

NFLPA-certified contract advisor Bryan Ehrlich explains the many things NFL agents do to represent their clients. He also discusses trades, the NFL Draft, and contract negotiations.

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Ep 98: The Legendary Dick LeBeau

Sat, 25 May 2024 12:44:07 -0600

Hall of Famer Dick LeBeau discusses his new book "Legendary" as well as his playing career with the Lions and his coaching career. He goes in-depth about the 2008 Pittsburgh Steelers defense and what it was like playing with Night Train Lane and for Woody Hayes.

E97: Upton Bell on Scouting OJ Simpson

Wed, 01 May 2024 11:10:18 -0600

Former Colts executive Upton Bell shares about scouting O.J. Simpson. He discusses concerns about Simpson's character even at USC, what he reported back to head coach Don Shula, and his memories of personal interactions with Simpson's defense team before and after the trial.

E96: 2023 NFL Wrap Up with Upton Bell

Fri, 22 Mar 2024 12:05:29 -0600

Upton Bell, a former executive with the Colts and Patriots, looks back at the 2023 NFL season and how it rates historically. He also discusses how he approached the NFL Draft, the state of the NFL in modern times, and who he thinks is the best player in the upcoming NFL Draft.

The Game Before the Money is a 501 c 3 non-profit, dedicated to preserving NFL history through oral history interviews. Learn more at TheGameBeforeTheMoney.com.

E95: Super Bowl 58 with Upton Bell

Fri, 09 Feb 2024 08:55:23 -0600

Upton Bell reached Super Bowl 3 and Super Bowl 5 with the Colts as Director of Player Personnel. Hear him preview Super Bowl 58 and share his Super Bowl experience. He also reviews last week's conference championships and discusses Bill Belichick.

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E94: First Ever AFC Championship

Wed, 24 Jan 2024 15:07:28 -0600

Baltimore hosted the first-ever AFC Championship Game. Former Baltimore executive Upton Bell shares his memories of the game and building the Super Bowl 5 champion Baltimore Colts. He also shares memories of the 1957 Lions-49ers playoff and predicts this week's NFC Championship and AFC Championship.

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E93: 2023 NFL Playoffs with Upton Bell

Fri, 19 Jan 2024 14:09:10 -0600

Former Colts and Patriots executive Upton Bell discusses the 2023 NFL Playoffs and makes predictions on the Divisional Playoffs and beyond.

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E92: Upton Bell Chats 2023 NFL Season

Thu, 14 Dec 2023 17:12:59 -0600

Upton Bell, a Colts executive in the 1960s and with their Super Bowl 5 championship team, gives his thoughts on the current NFL season. Topics include offensive line play, coaching, and officiating. The program is hosted by oral historian and author Jackson Michael.

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E91: Author John Eisenberg Talks Rocket Men

Thu, 30 Nov 2023 09:41:44 -0600

Football author John Eisenberg discusses his latest book, "Rocket Men: The Black Quarterbacks Who Revolutionized Pro Football." He celebrates the careers of Warren Moon, Doug Williams, James Harris, and Randall Cunningham as well as current QBs Patrick Mahomes and Russell Wilson.

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E90: Dermontti Dawson Hall of Fame Center

Sat, 14 Oct 2023 10:47:57 -0600

Steelers Hall of Fame center Dermontti Dawson shares stories about his life and career, from playing college ball at Kentucky to being elected to the Hall of Fame.

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E89: Eddie Meador - A Look Back

Tue, 05 Sep 2023 12:59:02 -0600

Rams legendary defensive back Eddie Meador shares stories in this reposting of one of the first episodes of The Game Before the Money. Meador passed away in September of 2023. Reposting the podcast is an effort to honor his life and career.

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E88: The Legend of Charley Trippi with TJ Troup

Mon, 31 Jul 2023 08:49:57 -0600

Football historian and author T.J. Troup outlines the greatness of Hall of Famer Charley Trippi.

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E87: Chris Willis of NFL Films Talks Bronko Nagurski

Fri, 30 Jun 2023 13:18:39 -0600

Author and NFL Films head research librarian Chris Willis discusses his book about Bronko Nagurski. He discusses Nagurski’s life and career and drops many football history nuggets.

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E86: Upton Bell 1960s NFL Draft Stories

Tue, 25 Apr 2023 11:36:28 -0600

Former Colts executive Upton Bell shares NFL Draft stories from the 1960s, including stories previously never told about the NFL/AFL war. He also discusses scouting star players he drafted and his conversations with Colts head coach Don Shula.

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E85: Three Super Bowl Interviews

Fri, 10 Feb 2023 11:34:39 -0600

Super Bowl 30 MVP Larry Brown of the Cowboys, two-time Super Bowl winner Dan Neil of the Broncos, and Colts executive Upton Bell share their Super Bowl memories and insight into this year’s game. Upton’s father founded the Philadelphia Eagles, and adds a special touch to the show. The three guests have a combined seven Super Bowl's worth of experience.

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E84: Hall of Famer Carl Eller Interview

Thu, 02 Feb 2023 11:28:41 -0600

Hall of Famer Carl Eller discusses playing in 4 Super Bowls with the Vikings, Mike Ditka’s Gridiron Greats initiative that assists former players, and his love of Pork Rind Appreciation Day.

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E83: Chuck Foreman - Minnesota Legend

Sat, 28 Jan 2023 09:49:19 -0600

Minnesota Vikings legend Chuck Foreman talks about his NFL career, playing college football at Miami, and the athletes of his era.

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E82: Dallas vs San Francisco Playoffs History

Fri, 20 Jan 2023 11:04:41 -0600

A brief history of the Cowboys vs 49ers NFL playoff rivalry, written by football historian Jackson Michael. This segment aired nationally on the SportsMap Radio Network during the 2023 NFL Playoffs.

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E81: Upton Bell Discusses Damar Hamlin

Sat, 07 Jan 2023 12:35:37 -0600

Former Colts and Patriots executive Upton Bell provides perspective on Damar Hamlin's injury, based on his lifetime of pro football experience.

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E80: Immaculate Reception, Franco Harris, Christmas Eve NFL

Fri, 23 Dec 2022 13:51:25 -0600

1970s Steelers assistant coach Lionel Taylor talks about his play call on the famous Immaculate Reception play. Host Jackson Michael gives facts about the game and Franco Harris. He also talks about two great NFL playoff games on Christmas Eve, 1977.

The material is from 12/24/2022 episode of The Game Before the Money Radio Show, which airs through Super Bowl weekend on Saturday mornings at 11 am Eastern, 10 Central on the SportsMap Radio Network and on the SportsMap Radio App.

E79: Dan Fouts - Charger Power!

Fri, 09 Dec 2022 17:06:38 -0600

Dan Fouts shares about his Hall of Fame career as quarterback of the San Diego Chargers. He discusses Don Coryell’s “Air Coryell” offense and grants insight into the famous Chargers vs Dolphins game in the 1981 NFL Playoffs. He also talks about his college football career at Oregon and his father's broadcasting work as the San Francisco 49ers play-by-play announcer.

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E78: Jim Tunney NFL Referee Interview

Fri, 02 Dec 2022 17:32:33 -0600

Legendary NFL referee Jim Tunney discusses famous NFL games he officiated, including the 1981 NFC Championship Game featuring “The Catch” and the 1979 AFC Championship Game featuring the Mike Renfro Play. He also remembers Tom Dempsey’s record-setting field goal and shares his thoughts about instant replay. Jim Tunney officiated in the NFL for 31 years from 1960 through 1990. He refereed 3 Super Bowls: Super Bowl 6, Super Bowl 11, and Super Bowl 12.

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E77: Thanksgiving Football with Upton Bell

Wed, 23 Nov 2022 13:25:42 -0600

Former Colts and Patriots executive Upton Bell shares the history of Thanksgiving NFL games. He discusses his favorite moments, how NFL Thanksgiving games have changed, and the first televised NFL Thanksgiving game -- a broadcast set up by his father, NFL commissioner Bert Bell.

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E76: Interview with Raider Legend Tom Flores

Fri, 11 Nov 2022 17:53:23 -0600

Raiders Hall of Fame coach Tom Flores reflects on moments from Super Bowl 15 and Super Bowl 18. He also shares about playing quarterback for the Raiders in the 1960s in the American Football League and his college career at Pacific.

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Ep 75: Remembering Charley Trippi with Upton Bell

Sat, 22 Oct 2022 10:16:38 -0600

Former NFL executive Upton Bell shares his memories of the great Charley Trippi, including meeting him at the Cardinals training camp in 1947 and seeing Trippi score two touchdowns in the 1947 NFL Championship Game.

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Ep 74: Texas Longhorns and Denver Broncos legend Dan Neil talks Texas Alabama and Week 1 NFL

Sat, 10 Sep 2022 10:02:07 -0600

Dan Neil, an All-American with Texas and a Super Bowl Champion with the Denver Broncos, previews the Alabama at Texas game, week 1 in the NFL, and remembers the Texas Longhorns winning the 1996 Big 12 Championship Game over Nebraska.

This is the full interview for the September 10th episode of The Game Before the Money Radio Show. The popular football history podcast is now a national radio show! Airing Saturdays at 11am Eastern/10 am Central on the SportsMap Radio Network and the SportsMap Radio app. Connecting the past, present, and future of pro and college football.

Episodes of The Game Before the Money Radio Show will be posted weekly throughout the 2022 NFL and NCAA football season. Additional episodes of The Game Before the Money Podcast, featuring pro and college football legends, will also be posted regularly. Learn more at https://www.TheGameBeforeTheMoney.com.

#NFL #NCAAFootball

E73: NFL War Heroes with Upton Bell

Tue, 23 Aug 2022 16:56:29 -0600

Upton Bell, son of NFL commissioner Bert Bell, shares about NFL icons were American heroes off the football field during World War I and World War II. He also tells the story of how his father may have saved the NFL from collapse during World War II.

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E72: Tony Franklin NFL Kicker Interview

Sat, 13 Aug 2022 11:14:04 -0600

NFL Kicker Tony Franklin tells why he kicked barefoot in the NFL, how he set the NCAA record with two 60-yard field goals in one game, and playing against Earl Campbell in high school.

The popular football history podcast is now a national radio show! Airing Saturdays at 11am Eastern/10 am Central on the SportsMap Radio Network and the SportsMap Radio app. Connecting the past, present, and future of pro and college football.

This interview is the full interview for the August 13, 2022 radio show.

#NFL #NCAAFootball

E71: Football History Radio: Dick Vermeil Interview and More

Fri, 12 Aug 2022 14:58:58 -0600

Dick Vermeil interview, remembering Vin Scully, looking at Dolphins owner suspension. The popular football history podcast is now a national radio show! Airing Saturdays from 11am-Noon Eastern/10-11 am Central on the SportsMap Radio Network and the SportsMap Radio app. Connecting the past, present, and future of pro and college football.

This episode aired August 6, 2022. This episode features raw footage of an interview with Dick Vermeil for episode 49 of The Game Before the Money Podcast. Host Jackson Michael also comments on what made Vin Scully so great, and he looks at the suspension of Miami Dolphins owner Stephen Ross.

#NFL #NCAAFootball

E70: Leigh Steinberg - Super Agent - Full Interview

Sat, 30 Jul 2022 09:00:21 -0600

Leigh Steinberg, NFL super agent, interviewed for The Game Before the Money Radio Show. The popular football history podcast, which is also a national radio show, airs Saturdays from 11am-Noon Eastern/10-11 am Central on the SportsMap Radio Network. Connecting the past, present, and future of pro and college football.

This interview was for the show that aired July 30, 2022. This is the interview in its entirely and Leigh shared stories of working for Warren Moon, Troy Aikman, and Steve Young. He also shared memories of Hall of Famers Derrick Thomas and Thurman Thomas, and provided tremendous insight into the economics of the NFL and why NFL players didn’t obtain free agency until long after other pro sports.

Episodes of The Game Before the Money Radio Show will be posted weekly throughout the 2022 NFL and NCAA football season. Additional episodes of The Game Before the Money Podcast featuring pro and college football legends will also be posted regularly. Learn more at https://www.TheGameBeforeTheMoney.com.

#NFL #NCAAFootball

E69: The Game Before the Money Radio Show July 23 2022 NCAA Preview and Celebrating the Kicking Game

Tue, 26 Jul 2022 08:36:03 -0600

The popular football history podcast is now a national radio show! Airing Saturdays from 11am-Noon Eastern/10-11 am Central on the SportsMap Radio Network. Connecting the past, present, and future of pro and college football.

This episode aired July 23, 2022. Host Jackson Michael previewed the 2022 college football season and under-the-radar teams, Mark Moseley shared about his 1982 NFL MVP award, and we looked at famous controversial field goals and the NFL rule that made them good. Hall of Famer Lou Groza was also celebrated.

#NFL #NCAAFootball

E68: The Game Before the Money Radio Show - with Bill Butler 50s 60s NFL July 16 2022

Tue, 19 Jul 2022 15:47:39 -0600

This episode aired July 16, 2022 and featured Bill Butler. Butler played in the NFL from 1959-1964 and talked about his time playing for Vince Lombardi and Tom Landry, as well as his work as a two-way player for the Minnesota Vikings in the 1960s. Host Jackson Michael also discussed NFL players who also played Major League Baseball and about the College Football Playoff.

#NFL #NCAAFootball

E67: The Game Before the Money Radio Show with Broncos Legend Dan Neil July 9 2022

Sat, 09 Jul 2022 15:31:43 -0600

This episode aired July 9, 2022 and featured Denver Broncos and Texas Longhorns legend Dan Neil sharing memories of winning the Super Bowl with Hall of Famers John Elway and Terrell Davis and what life is like in the NFL trenches. Host Jackson Michael also discussed the Baker Mayfield trade and traced the history of NCAA football conference realignment.

Episodes of The Game Before the Money Radio Show will be posted weekly throughout the 2022 NFL season. Additional episodes of The Game Before the Money Podcast featuring pro and college football legends will also be posted regularly. Learn more at https://www.TheGameBeforeTheMoney.com.

#NFL #NCAAFootball

E66: The Game Before the Money Radio Show July 2 2022 With Guest Upton Bell

Sat, 09 Jul 2022 14:30:37 -0600

The popular football history podcast is now a national radio show on the SportsMap Radio Network! Airing Saturdays from 11am-Noon Eastern/10-11 am Central – connecting the past, present and future of pro and college football.

This episode aired July 2, 2022 and featured guest Upton Bell sharing memories of Hugh McElhenny and rating the greatest tight ends of all time. Host Jackson Michael discussed the Davante Adams and Tyreek Hill trades, the importance of NFL quarterback leadership, and NFL legend Marlin Briscoe.

E65: Shaun Alexander - Mr. Touchdown

Mon, 23 May 2022 07:48:50 -0600

Seahawks legend Shaun Alexander discusses scoring 5 TDs in one half on Sunday Night Football, his incredible college career at Alabama, and the friendship he’s had with two other NFL legends since they were in high school.

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#Seahawks #RollTide #Alabama

E64: The REAL Story of the NFL Draft - Upton Bell

Tue, 26 Apr 2022 14:15:33 -0600

Upton Bell, son of NFL commissioner Bert Bell who invented the draft, tells the real history of the NFL Draft. Upton also shares his drafting experience as an executive with the Colts and Patriots.

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#NFLDraft #NFLHistory #BertBell

E63: Jack Ham Talks Steelers Penn State Greatness

Mon, 11 Apr 2022 07:58:36 -0600

Hall of Fame linebacker Jack Ham tells stories about winning the Orange Bowl with Penn State and the AFC rivalries the Steelers had in the 1970s. He names the two toughest running backs he played against, college and pro. Who do you think they were?

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E62: Bill Butler of the 50s and 60s Packers, Cowboys, Steelers, Vikings

Fri, 11 Mar 2022 11:00:08 -0600

Bill Butler played for the 1959 Green Bay Packers during Vince Lombardi’s first season as head coach. He next played for Tom Landry on the first-ever Dallas Cowboys team. He also played for the Steelers and Vikings. He talks about growing up in Wisconsin, playing college football at UT Chattanooga, and shares fantastic stories about his NFL career and the colorful characters he played with and for during his six NFL seasons.

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E61: Orlando Pace On Dick Vermeil and Rams Super Bowl Win

Mon, 07 Feb 2022 18:11:37 -0600

Hall of Fame offensive lineman Orlando Pace talks about playing for Coach Vermeil and winning Super Bowl 34 with the Rams. Coach Vermeil shared his stories on Episode 49 of The Game Before the Money Podcast.

Orlando Pace was the first-overall pick of the 1997 NFL Draft. This episode gives listeners a great perspective of what it was like to play for Coach Vermeil and provides a firsthand account of Super Bowl 34.

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#Rams #SuperBowl

E60: 40th Anniversary of The Catch and Candlestick Park

Mon, 24 Jan 2022 12:34:47 -0600

U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein and groundskeeper George Toma share memories of getting Candlestick Park ready to host the 1981 NFC Championship Game between the San Francisco 49ers and Dallas Cowboys, a game made famous by “The Catch.” Candlestick Park’s playing surface needed many renovations to be in shape for the big game and the city rose to meet the challenge.

Senator Feinstein was San Francisco’s mayor in 1981. She shared quotes via email through a staff member.

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E59: Mark Moseley - The Pressure Kicker

Sat, 08 Jan 2022 18:00:36 -0600

Kicker Mark Moseley discusses kicking under pressure and some of his legendary field goals with the Washington Redskins. He also shares about his incredible NFL journey, going from a man calling teams for a tryout to becoming the only full-time placekicker to win the NFL’s Most Valuable Player Award.

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E58: Lionel Taylor – 1960s Broncos and 1970s Steelers

Wed, 08 Dec 2021 10:17:23 -0600

Lionel Taylor shares about his time in the AFL with the Denver Broncos and becoming the first WR to grab 100 catches in a single season. He also talks about his time as an assistant coach on the Super Bowl champion Pittsburgh Steelers of the 1970s.

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E57: Vince Evans Talks 1980 Bears Lions NFL Thanksgiving Classic

Fri, 19 Nov 2021 11:21:40 -0600

Chicago Bears QB Vince Evans recalls his game-tying TD and the Bears returning the overtime kickoff for a TD in the unforgettable game against the Lions on Thanksgiving Day of 1980. The Bears won 23-17 after Evans engineered a 94-yard drive and scored the game-tying TD with no time left on the clock to send the game into OT. Chicago's Dave Williams returned the overtime kickoff for a touchdown to win a game that Chicago trailed 17-3 in the fourth quarter.

The Game Before the Money is hosted and produced by author and oral historian Jackson Michael. Learn more about the project at https://TheGameBeforeTheMoney.com.

#NFL #ThanksgivingFootball #ChicagoBears #BearDown

E56: Dave Wilcox - Hall of Fame, 49ers, Oregon Legend

Fri, 29 Oct 2021 12:26:49 -0600

Dave Wilcox, a member of the Pro Football Hall of Fame's 2000 class, shares memories of his career as a linebacker for the San Francisco 49ers. He also talks about his college football career at Oregon and Boise State.

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E55: Bill McColl - Stanford All-American and Chicago Bears Legend

Thu, 07 Oct 2021 12:23:34 -0600

Bill McColl shares memories of Stanford winning the 1951 Pacific Coast Conference title and playing in the 1952 Rose Bowl. He also talks about playing for George Halas and the Chicago Bears of the 1950s while enrolled in medical school.

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E54: Meet George Toma - Groundskeeper for EVERY Super Bowl!

Fri, 24 Sep 2021 14:40:19 -0600

George Toma has been the groundskeeper for every single Super Bowl, from Super Bowl I through Super Bowl LV. He shares stories about preparing the field for Super Bowls and the 1966 NFL Championship Game, his work with the AFL, as well as his early life in Pennsylvania’s coal country.

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E53: NFL Week 1 -- Best Games Ever

Tue, 07 Sep 2021 12:45:19 -0600

Encore presentation about the best NFL Week 1 games in pro football history.

The program highlights Norm Van Brocklin's 554 passing yards, the first-ever AFL game, the first-ever Minnesota Vikings game, and Dan Marino's return after a career-threatening injury.

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E52: Al Denson - AFL Broncos, HBCU Legend

Tue, 24 Aug 2021 12:45:30 -0600

Al Denson shares memories about his career with the Denver Broncos and playing for legendary Florida A&M coach Jake Gaither.

Denson led the American Football League in TD catches in 1967.

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E51: Johnny Manziel Talks 2012 Game vs Alabama

Thu, 29 Jul 2021 07:52:18 -0600

Heisman Trophy winner Johnny Manziel shares insights about the signature game of his career – leading Texas A&M to a victory at Alabama in 2012. Host Jackson Michael guides listeners through key moments of the game.

Hear more from Johnny Manziel on his Ball Don't Lie podcast featuring Johnny Manziel and recording artist Mike. Learn more about The Game Before the Money at https://TheGameBeforeTheMoney.com

Ep 50: Willie Roaf - Saints, Chiefs, Hall of Fame

Mon, 19 Jul 2021 08:18:38 -0600

Willie Roaf shares memories of growing up in Arkansas, his college career at Louisiana Tech, and his Hall of Fame NFL career with the New Orleans Saints and Kansas City Chiefs. Roaf stands as one of the greatest offensive tackles in NFL history.

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Ep 49: Dick Vermeil – Four Decade NFL Head Coach

Thu, 24 Jun 2021 09:29:36 -0600

Dick Vermeil shares memories of coaching the Eagles, Rams, and Chiefs. He also discusses winning the Rose Bowl at UCLA, growing up in California, and his friendship with Bill Walsh. Coach Vermeil was an NFL head coach in the 1970s, 80s, 90s, and early 2000s.

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Ep 48: Hidden Stories of Super Bowl 3

Sat, 22 May 2021 16:35:50 -0600

Baltimore Colts Director of Player Personnel Upton Bell takes us behind the scenes of Super Bowl 3 between the Colts and the New York Jets. We all know about Joe Namath and the story of the Jets playing for the pride of the entire AFL that day, now hear inside stories about Colts owner Carroll Rosenbloom's planned victory party, what was discussed on the Colts bus going to the game, and how Super Bowl 3 was the precursor to modern Super Bowls.

This episode is Part 3 of a three-part series called, "Three Games that Changed the NFL" with Upton Bell. Learn more at https://TheGameBeforeTheMoney.com

Ep 47: 1974 Pittsburgh Steelers - Best NFL Draft Class Ever?

Mon, 19 Apr 2021 16:01:40 -0600

Lionel Taylor, Charlie Davis, and Vito Stellino discuss the 1974 Pittsburgh Steelers NFL Draft class that produced 4 Pro Football Hall of Fame members: Lynn Swann, Jack Lambert, John Stallworth, and Mike Webster. Pittsburgh also signed future Hall of Famer Donnie Shell as part of their 1974 rookie class.

Taylor, a former Denver Broncos star, was the receivers coach for the Steelers. He shares his scouting reports of Lynn Swann and John Stallworth. Davis was the Steelers 9th round pick and shares his experience of making the team and winning Super Bowl 9. Stellino covered the Steelers for the Pittsburgh Post-Gazzette and tells us what team ALMOST got Lynn Swann.

Episodes of The Game before the Money Podcast are released every other week, except for certain episodes that may take longer to create. The show is produced and hosted by Jackson Michael, author of The Game before the Money: Voices of the Men Who Built the NFL, published by the University of Nebraska Press. Many episodes feature interviews with pro and college football legends. Learn more at https://TheGameBeforeTheMoney.com.

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Ep 46: 1958 NFL Championship – An Insider’s Look at the Game that Changed the NFL Forever

Tue, 06 Apr 2021 12:19:36 -0600

Upton Bell’s father Bert Bell was NFL Commissioner when the Baltimore Colts defeated the New York Giants in overtime to claim the 1958 NFL Championship Game. The game is often called “The Greatest Game Ever Played.” Hear Upton share his memories of attending the game and how Johnny Unitas’ leadership and poise still inspire him decades later. The episode also recaps the game by recalling lost moments and illustrates how the drama of the 1958 NFL Championship permanently lofted the NFL to new heights and sent the league on its way to becoming the most popular sports league in U.S. history.

This episode is Part 2 of a three-part series, "Three Games that Changed the NFL, featuring guest Upton Bell." Part 1 is Episode 40 of The Game Before the Money Podcast -- "1948 NFL Championship -- The Cornerstone of Super Bowl Sunday." Part 3 will focus on Super Bowl 3.

Sound effects and original music produced and composed by 11 Productions.

Ep 45: Hugh McElhenny -- Long Live the King!

Tue, 16 Mar 2021 07:45:42 -0600

Hall of Famer Hugh “The King” McElhenny shared stories via email for this episode of The Game Before the Money Podcast. McElhenny is best known for his years with the San Francisco 49ers in the 1950s and his ability to turn running plays and screen passes into huge plays and long touchdowns. He also still holds school records at the University of Washington over 70 years after his NCAA football career ended.

Learn how Hugh McElhenny got his nickname, “The King,” and about his incredible college career that made him a first-round pick in the 1952 NFL Draft. McElhenny also played for the Minnesota Vikings in their first two seasons and for the New York Giants in the 1963 NFL Championship Game. He was inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 1970.

Ep 44: NFL Defensive Plays that Won Championships

Wed, 03 Feb 2021 10:40:55 -0600

Hear about three of the greatest defensive plays in NFL history. Each clinched a victory in the NFL Championship Game during the 1960s. Two were made by Hall of Famers.

Episodes of The Game before the Money Podcast are released each week, except for certain episodes that take about two weeks to create. The show is produced and hosted by Jackson Michael, author of The Game before the Money: Voices of the Men Who Built the NFL, published by the University of Nebraska Press. Many episodes feature interviews with pro and college football legends. Learn more at https://TheGameBeforeTheMoney.com.

Ep 43: Super Bowl Quarterbacks

Wed, 27 Jan 2021 11:53:17 -0600

Did you know that only a handful of NFL quarterbacks have won the Super Bowl? A mere 4 quarterbacks have combined to win 30 percent of all Super Bowls and only 33 quarterbacks have ever won the big game. Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes have both won at least 1 Super Bowl and so the number of Super Bowl winning quarterbacks in NFL history isn’t going to change after Super Bowl 55. In fact, the trend of only a few quarterbacks winning league championships goes all the way back to the 1940s and includes the American Football League and the AFL Championship Game.

The pattern also extends to the AFC Championship Game and the NFC Championship Game. Since 1998, the AFC Championship Game has featured at least one of a select group of six quarterbacks starting the game. Learn more about this QB reality in this football history podcast.

Episodes of The Game before the Money Podcast are released each week, except for certain episodes that take about two weeks to create. The show is produced and hosted by Jackson Michael, author of The Game before the Money: Voices of the Men Who Built the NFL, published by the University of Nebraska Press. Many episodes feature interviews with pro and college football legends. Learn more at https://TheGameBeforeTheMoney.com.

Ep 42: How Lamar Hunt and Hank Stram Built the Kansas City Chiefs

Wed, 20 Jan 2021 17:50:03 -0600

Lamar Hunt founded both the American Football League and the Kansas City Chiefs. He hired Hank Stram as the team’s head coach and the franchise won more AFL championships than any other team. Learn how Hunt and Stram built the Chiefs (originally known as the Dallas Texans) and how connections with two universities played a major role in the team’s history. You’ll also find out how the Chiefs got their name.

This episode is a “Five Minutes of Football History” edition of The Game before the Money Podcast.

Episodes of The Game before the Money Podcast are released each week, except when certain episodes take longer to create. The show is produced and hosted by Jackson Michael, author of The Game before the Money: Voices of the Men Who Built the NFL, published by the University of Nebraska Press. Many episodes feature interviews with pro and college football legends. Learn more at https://TheGameBeforeTheMoney.com.

EP 41: Matt Birk - Baltimore Ravens Super Bowl Journey and the Mile High Miracle

Wed, 13 Jan 2021 17:54:06 -0600

Baltimore Ravens center Matt Birk talks about the Ravens journey to Super Bowl 47 and the famous “Mile High Miracle” in the 2012 NFL Playoffs. Birk takes you onto the field and into the Ravens huddle for the play. He also discusses the veteran leadership that lifted the team through tough playoff defeats in the years leading up to their Super Bowl victory in Super Bowl 47 over the San Francisco 49ers.

Episodes of The Game before the Money Podcast are usually released each week, except for certain episodes that take about two weeks to create. The show is produced and hosted by Jackson Michael, author of The Game before the Money: Voices of the Men Who Built the NFL, published by the University of Nebraska Press. Many episodes feature interviews with pro and college football legends. Learn more at https://TheGameBeforeTheMoney.com.

Ep 40: 1948 NFL Championship – The Cornerstone of Super Bowl Sunday

Mon, 28 Dec 2020 09:14:20 -0600

Upton Bell shares his memories of attending the 1948 NFL Championship Game with his father, NFL commissioner Bert Bell, in this episode of The Game before the Money Podcast. This episode also includes an interview clip from Al Wistert, a Philadelphia Eagles lineman and 2020 Pro Football Hall of Fame finalist. The 1948 NFL Championship Game was the first televised NFL Championship Game and laid the foundation for what has become Super Bowl Sunday. Hear how Bert Bell’s foresight helped grow the NFL’s future through the powerful new technology of television.

The 1948 NFL Championship Game featured a rematch of the previous year’s game between the Philadelphia Eagles and Chicago Cardinals (now the Arizona Cardinals). The teams played in a blizzard and battled both the elements and their opponents. Hall of Famer Steve Van Buren nearly missed the game because of the weather before scoring the game’s winning touchdown, powered by perhaps one of the greatest blocks in NFL history.

You will also learn how both teams utilized versions of modern NFL offenses rather than the “three yards and a cloud of dust” adjective that is often erroneously used to describe the era.

Ep 39: HOUSTON OILERS -- Luv Ya Blue! 1978 and 1979 NFL Seasons

Sat, 12 Dec 2020 10:57:36 -0600

Members of the Luv Ya Blue era Houston Oilers reflect on the magical seasons of 1978 and 1979. Join Elvin Bethea, Robert Brazile, Dan Pastorini, Mike Renfro, Billy “White Shoes” Johnson, Kenny Burrough, Mike Barber, Carl Mauck, Willie Alexander, Coach Ed Biles, Gregg Bingham, Vernon Perry, Rich Caster, and Andy Dorris for a wonderful trip down memory lane.

Interview clips are taken from the new book Red, White, and Columbia Blue: Chasing the Dream with the 1979 Houston Oilers as well as the DVD We Were the Oilers: The Luv Ya Blue Era!

Both the new book and DVD were written by The Game before the Money Podcast host and producer Jackson Michael. The Game before the Money Podcast usually comes out on a weekly basis and often features interviews with NFL, AFL, and NCAA football legends. Learn more at https://TheGameBeforeTheMoney.com. Learn more about the Houston Oilers projects at https://Houston79.com.

Ep 38: BOYD DOWLER : Packers Legend Chats Lombardi and More

Thu, 19 Nov 2020 18:04:27 -0600

Green Bay Packers legend Boyd Dowler joins The Game before the Money Podcast and brings us into the Packers' locker room with stories about winning 5 NFL championships under Vince Lombardi. Hear his memories about winning the 1959 NFL Rookie of the Year award, scoring the longest NFL receiving touchdown of 1960, and how President Kennedy played a role in the Packers’ 1961 season.

Dowler also talks about quarterbacking the Colorado Buffaloes to victory in the 1957 Orange Bowl and how he, Paul Hornung, and Ray Nitschke were called into military service in the middle of the NFL season. You will also hear about an incident at a Packers’ practice that left a hole in Nitschke’s helmet!

Did you know that Dowler served as an assistant coach under George Allen? Find out more in this episode of The Game before the Money Podcast.

Episodes of The Game before the Money Podcast are released each week. The show is produced and hosted by Jackson Michael, author of The Game before the Money: Voices of the Men Who Built the NFL, published by the University of Nebraska Press. Many episodes feature interviews with pro and college football legends. Learn more at https://TheGameBeforeTheMoney.com.

Ep 37: Chad Hennings -- Veteran's Day Salute with Air Force, Dallas Cowboys Legend

Tue, 10 Nov 2020 10:25:08 -0600

Chad Hennings shares stories about dangerous flying missions during the Gulf War and Super Bowl wins with the Dallas Cowboys. We repost this episode to honor our veterans.

Chad Hennings is the only Air Force lineman to win the prestigious Outland Trophy. The Dallas Cowboys drafted him despite his upcoming commitment to military service, much like they did with Roger Staubach. Hennings flew fighter jets during the Gulf War and later won 3 Super Bowls with the Cowboys on a team led by Troy Aikman.

Hear him share about those great Cowboys teams, what the locker room was like after the famous Leon Lett game, and how the Cowboys found out that Jimmy Johnson was replaced by Barry Switzer as head coach.

This is a repeat of an episode that was first released in 2018. The Game before the Money Podcast will return next week with a brand new episode.

Ep 36: PETE KOCH – Chiefs, Raiders, Film Star

Wed, 04 Nov 2020 15:54:30 -0600

Pete Koch interviews with The Game before the Money Podcast and talks about his NFL career and starring in the movie Heartbreak Ridge with Clint Eastwood.

Pete Koch talks about being a first-round draft pick in 1984 and what it was like to hold out for a better contract. He also shares stories about starting on the defensive line for the Chiefs and Raiders. He shares memories of Chiefs’ owner Lamar Hunt, playing against John Elway, and what made Hall of Famer Howie Long such a great player.

You will also learn some helpful workout tips from a former NFL player who remains in fantastic shape!

This is a repeat of an episode that was first released in 2018.

Ep 35: Bob Griese – 2 SB Wins After Injury Like Dak Prescott’s

Tue, 27 Oct 2020 16:52:58 -0600

Bob Griese, the Miami Dolphins’ Hall of Fame quarterback, talks about playing in the 1972 AFC Championship Game after returning from a dislocated ankle injury similar to that of Dallas Cowboys quarterback Dak Prescott.

In this episode we hear a brief interview clip from Griese’s interview for the book, The Game before the Money: Voices of the Men Who Built the NFL. I also examine Griese’s career before and after the dislocated ankle and broken leg he sustained in Week 5 of the 1972 season. I discuss the similarities between Prescott’s dislocated ankle and compound fracture with Griese’s injury, and how Griese’s recovery might predict Prescott’s return.

This episode is a “Five Minutes of Football History” edition of The Game before the Money Podcast. New episodes of The Game before the Money Podcast are released each week. The show is produced and hosted by Jackson Michael, author of The Game before the Money: Voices of the Men Who Built the NFL, published by the University of Nebraska Press. Many episodes feature interviews with pro and college football legends. Learn more at https://TheGameBeforeTheMoney.com.

Ep 34: Presidential Football: U.S. Presidents and Football

Thu, 22 Oct 2020 10:25:10 -0600

What future president played football against Jim Thorpe? What president won an NCAA national championship? Who is the only president to attend an AFL game? Find out the answers on this episode.

Let’s have some election-time fun and look at presidents with a connection to football. One worked as an assistant coach on a team that produced two Heisman Trophy winners. Another performed the Super Bowl coin flip live from the White House via satellite. You will greatly enjoy this non-political look at a few U.S. Presidents and their love of the game.

New episodes of The Game before the Money Podcast are released each week. The show is produced and hosted by Jackson Michael, author of The Game before the Money: Voices of the Men Who Built the NFL, published by the University of Nebraska Press. Many episodes feature interviews with pro and college football legends. Learn more at https://TheGameBeforeTheMoney.com.

Ep 33: John Lobon of the Syracuse 8 -- 50 Years Later

Wed, 14 Oct 2020 13:06:47 -0600

John Lobon shares his experience as a member of the Syracuse 8, a group of Syracuse football players who stood up for student-athlete rights and against racial injustice. The players were ultimately suspended for the entire 1970 season but later vindicated in an investigative report ordered by the university.

John Lobon tells the story of his stellar high school football career in Hartford, Connecticut, his decision to attend Syracuse University, and his decision to join the Syracuse 8. He describes the defensive play he made that his teammates called, “The Defining Moment” of the team his freshman year, and brings us into the times of the late 1960s and early 1970s.

The story of the Syracuse 8 illustrates how discrimination can occur in places one might not expect. John Lobon and his teammates rallied against discrimination and for better medical and academic support for all student-athletes. The young men paid a heavy cost to establish gains still enjoyed by student-athletes today.

The Game before the Money Podcast is released each Tuesday. The show is produced and hosted by Jackson Michael, author of The Game before the Money: Voices of the Men Who Built the NFL, published by the University of Nebraska Press. Learn more at https://TheGameBeforeTheMoney.com.

Ep 32: Ron McDole -- Bills, Redskins, NFL Legend "The Dancing Bear"

Tue, 06 Oct 2020 21:44:37 -0600

Ron McDole shares NFL and AFL stories on The Game Before the Money Podcast. He is the NFL's all-time leader in interceptions by a defensive lineman. His storied 18-year career includes winning the 1964 and 1965 AFL Championships with the Buffalo Bills, and playing in Super Bowl 7 as part of Washington's Over the Hill Gang. You might know McDole by his nickname, “The Dancing Bear.”

This episode is a repeat of an episode posted in 2018. We will be back with a brand new episode next week.

Ep 31: Columbia Football and the Manhattan Project

Tue, 29 Sep 2020 14:40:36 -0600

Did you know the Columbia University football team helped with the Manhattan Project? Don’t feel bad if you didn’t know that – the players didn’t know either!

Learn what role the Columbia Lions football played in the top secret Manhattan Project on this 5 Minutes of Football History edition of The Game Before the Money Podcast.

Ep 30: Walt Garrison -- Dallas Cowboys -- Stories From the Vault

Tue, 22 Sep 2020 17:38:25 -0600

Walt Garrison played for the Dallas Cowboys from 1966-1974. In this podcast, you will hear excerpts from his interview for The Game before the Money: Voices of the Men Who Built the NFL. You will get a feel for what it’s like to sit down with a true NFL legend and hear him share some great stories.

In these outtakes not used in the book, Walt takes us into the huddle with Don Meredith and Roger Staubach, fills you in on who he thought was one of the hardest hitters in the NFL (the answer may surprise you), and brings us into meetings with Tom Landry. He also shares memories about his roommate and close friend Dan Reeves, who later went on to coach both the Denver Broncos and Atlanta Falcons into Super Bowls.

Ep 29: GREAT NFL SEASON OPENERS

Tue, 15 Sep 2020 20:39:31 -0600

We toast the kickoff to the 2020 NFL season by celebrating some of the best NFL Week 1 games of all-time. What are some of the best Week 1 moments in NFL history?

We look at some record-setting performances, including one NFL record that has stood for nearly 70 years! Take a trip to the first-ever American Football League game, the first game in Minnesota Vikings history (a breakout game for a future Hall of Famer), and the first game at Lambeau Field. Join the Cincinnati Bengals in their greatest comeback in franchise history and experience a triumphant comeback from a career-threating injury by one of the NFL’s most iconic quarterbacks.

Ep 28: Karl Mecklenburg – 1980s Broncos Stories and More

Tue, 08 Sep 2020 23:40:39 -0600

Karl Mecklenburg played linebacker for the Denver Broncos and helped guide the team to three Super Bowls. Hear him share memories of “The Drive” in the 1986 AFC Championship Game and “The Fumble” in the 1987 AFC Championship Game. You will also hear his inspirational story of hard work and dedication that earned him a spot in the NFL.

Karl Mecklenburg also talks about defensive coordinator Joe Collier’s leadership, shares a funny story about his jersey being stolen before a game in San Diego, and grants insight on how Broncos quarterback John Elway influenced the team’s defensive play.

Ep 27: A Brief History of Football Protests

Tue, 01 Sep 2020 10:16:41 -0600

Have the recent boycotts in the NBA and Major League Baseball made you wonder if national events and protests affected pro and college football in the past?

This episode of The Game before the Money provides an overview of three times players protested against the social climate: the 1965 AFL All-Star Game, the Wyoming Black 14, and the Syracuse 8. We also look at how things are different today by looking at more recent player protests at the University of Texas and the University of Missouri.

Ep 26: Goose Gonsoulin: Stories from the Vault. PLUS 2021 HOF Class!

Wed, 26 Aug 2020 09:27:08 -0600

In an exciting new addition to The Game before the Money Podcast we premiere, “Stories from the Vault” – great moments from the interviews for The Game before the Money: Voices of the Men Who Built the NFL that weren’t used in the book.

Goose Gonsoulin was the first member of the Denver Broncos and is enshrined in the Broncos Ring of Fame. Included in this episode are excerpts of him sharing memories from the first-ever Broncos training camp and on-the-field game day banter with legendary Kansas City Chiefs quarterback Len Dawson.

Also in this episode, two senior nominees for the Pro Football Hall of Fame 2021 class are discussed: Tom Flores and Drew Pearson. Plus: who are some other players that deserve to be in the Hall of Fame?

Goose Gonsoulin passed away in September of 2014. The clips used are from interviews sometime between 2011 and 2013.

Ep 25: Pete Brewster talks 50s Browns, Super Bowl 4 Chiefs

Tue, 18 Aug 2020 15:38:04 -0600

Pete Brewster played nine seasons in the NFL, including seven with Paul Brown’s legendary Cleveland Browns of the 1950s and made the Pro Bowl as a receiver. He also worked as an assistant coach for the Kansas City Chiefs when they won Super Bowl 4 and was a member of the very first Minnesota Vikings coaching staff.

Brewster shared stories with me during the summer of 2019. He talked about why he chose Purdue and how he ended up playing for the Browns despite being drafted by the Cardinals. He remembered the great Cleveland teams of the 1950s and how Otto Graham paid him an enormous compliment. Brewster finished his playing career with the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Brewster passed away in January of 2020.

The Game before the Money Podcast comes out each Tuesday. Author Jackson Michael hosts and produces the program. The podcast often features stories from pro and college football legends. You can learn more at https://TheGameBeforeTheMoney.com.

Ep 24: The Amazing Story of Night Train Lane

Tue, 11 Aug 2020 18:17:50 -0600

Many fans know that Dick “Night Train” Lane holds the single-season interception record. Did you also know he also co-holds the record for the longest touchdown reception in Cardinals history? Hear the story as told by Cardinal quarterback Odgen Compton.

There are incredible triumphs and incomparable tragedies in Night Train Lane’s life – literally right from the start. Few NFL backstories compare with the journey Night Train Lane took on his way to the Pro Football Hall of Fame. The fact that Lane even got a tryout – let alone a starting position -- with the defending world champion Rams without having played regular college football is astounding. Add to it that he set an NFL record that has stood for nearly 70 years when he was simply a rookie fresh out of the military and you’ve got yourself an amazing story indeed.

In this episode you’ll hear stories from his teammate Odgen Compton and Lane’s friend, sports artist Robert Hurst.

The Game before the Money Podcast comes out every Tuesday. It is hosted and produced by Jackson Michael, author of The Game before the Money: Voices of the Men Who Built the NFL. You can learn more at https://TheGameBeforeTheMoney.com.

Ep 23: Richard Nixon Talks Football with George Allen

Tue, 04 Aug 2020 13:38:40 -0600

President Richard Nixon called to congratulate Washington Redskins head coach George Allen his team defeated the Dallas Cowboys in October of 1972. This episode features the lion’s share of their conversation which was about 15 minutes.

Football dominates the conversation as the two discuss Washington’s come-from-behind victory at home. Nixon displays a solid knowledge of the NFL as he and Allen talk about players from both teams – including Hall of Famers Sonny Jurgensen, Roger Staubach, and Lance Alworth. They go over the next games on both teams’ schedules and ponder possible trades Washington could make as the team makes a successful run towards Super Bowl 7.

This is a very fun listen for any fan of football and/or politics. President Nixon greatly enjoyed pro and college football as well as his friendship with George Allen. The conversation was recorded as part of the “Nixon Tapes” and is available on the Nixon Library’s website. The conversation is Tape 32-007.

The Game before the Money Podcast comes out on Tuesdays and is hosted and produced by Jackson Michael, author of The Game before the Money: Voices of the Men Who Built the NFL and writer/director of We Were the Oilers: The Luv Ya Blue Era! You can learn more football history and about the author at https://TheGameBeforeTheMoney.com.

Ep 22: Roger Zatkoff -- NFL and Michigan Legend Shares Stories

Tue, 28 Jul 2020 08:55:20 -0600

Roger Zatkoff starred at linebacker for the University of Michigan in the early 1950s. He went on to star in the NFL for the Green Bay Packers and Detroit Lions. He won the NFL Championship with the 1957 Lions.

Hear Roger share stories of playing for Michigan under iconic coach Bennie Oosterbaan and winning the 1957 NFL Championship with the Detroit Lions. He takes us into the locker room during the famous halftime scenario of the 1957 West Division Playoff against the San Francisco 49ers – a game that the Lions set a record for the largest playoff comeback in NFL history that stood for over 30 years. You will also learn what it was like to play for the Green Bay Packers in the days before Lambeau Field was built.

Zatkoff also goes behind-the-scenes to describe a trade that sent him from the Packers to the Browns, then the Rams, and ultimately the Lions. The story involves Bert Bell, then commissioner of the NFL,, future commissioner Pete Rozelle, and Cleveland Browns coach Paul Brown.

The Game before the Money Podcast comes out each Tuesday. The show is hosted and produced by Jackson Michael, author of the book The Game before the Money: Voices of the Men Who Built the NFL, writer/director of the documentary We Were the Oilers: The Luv Ya Blue Era!, and host/producer of The Texas Sports Hall of Fame Podcast.

Ep 21: The 1972 Oakland Raiders

Tue, 21 Jul 2020 15:09:18 -0600

Can a season be defined by one play?

The 1972 Oakland Raiders are best remembered as the team on the wrong side of the Pittsburgh Steelers Immaculate Reception play. What was the team's season really like? Find out on this episode of The Game before the Money Podcast.

The football history podcast is hosted and produced by Jackson Michael, author of The Game before the Money: Voices of the Men Who Built the NFL, published by the University of Nebraska Press.

Ep 20: 4 Character and Leadership Lessons from 1970s NFL Football

Tue, 14 Jul 2020 09:16:05 -0600

You often hear people say, "Football builds character."

Here are four life lessons that can be gleaned from 1970s NFL football that you can apply to your life and career today!

The Game before the Money Podcast comes out each Tuesday. You can learn more at https://TheGameBeforeTheMoney.com.

Ep 19: NFL Teams That Have Changed Names -- 5 Mins of FB History

Tue, 07 Jul 2020 07:56:33 -0600

What NFL franchises have changed nicknames through the years? We look at 5 franchises who have rebranded themselves under a new name. Teams include the Pittsburgh Steelers, Chicago Bears, New York Jets, Dallas Cowboys, and Oakland Raiders.

This is a 5 Minutes of Football History edition of The Game before the Money Podcast. New editions of 5 Minutes of Football History are posted each Tuesday. Other episodes of the podcast include documentary episodes with NFL and college football legends.

The Game before the Money Podcast is an extension of the book, The Game before the Money: Voices of the Men Who Built the NFL, an oral history of pro football featuring interviews with NFL greats such as Frank Gifford, Bart Starr, and Don Maynard. The book is published by the University of Nebraska Press and available at all major outlets.

Ep 18: The National High School Rushing Record -- Derrick Henry and Ken Hall

Tue, 30 Jun 2020 08:23:57 -0600

Ken Hall owned the national high school rushing record for 59 years until NFL star Derrick Henry broke the record in 2012. Learn about the history of the record and where NFL greats like Emmitt Smith and Herschel Walker fit into the mix.

This episode is a Five Minutes of Football History edition of The Game before the Money Podcast. Five Minutes of Football History is released each Tuesday. I also periodically post longer documentary episodes featuring NFL legends. Please subscribe to the podcast and also visit TheGameBeforeTheMoney.com.

Ep 17: Dub Jones -- Cleveland Browns Legend Remembers Championships, Scoring 6 TDs in One Game

Fri, 26 Jun 2020 12:45:38 -0600

Dub Jones played for the Cleveland Browns during their glory days winning championships in the NFL and AAFC. He is one of only three players in NFL history to score 6 touchdowns in one game. He shares stories accomplishing the feat and about the 1950 NFL Championship Game.

He also was a member of the Browns coaching staff when they won the 1964 NFL Championship Game. Jones fills us in about the Browns' game plan and tells us how Jim Brown was a valuable part of the Browns offense even on plays that he didn't touch the ball.

Dub is also the father of Baltimore Colts legend Bert Jones.

The Game before the Money Podcast is hosted and produced by Jackson Michael, author of The Game before the Money: Voices of the Men Who Built the NFL, published by the University of Nebraska Press. You can learn more football history at https://TheGameBeforeTheMoney.com .

Ep 16: Super Bowl 54 and Great NFL QB Comebacks

Tue, 23 Jun 2020 11:52:00 -0600

A look at Pat Mahomes leading the Kansas City Chiefs to victory in Super Bowl 54 after entering the fourth quarter trailing by 10 points and what similarities that comeback has with two other great fourth-quarter comebacks in NFL championship history: Otto Graham with the 1950 Cleveland Browns and Johnny Unitas with the 1958 Baltimore Colts.

This episode is a Five Minutes of Football History edition of The Game before the Money Podcast. Five Minutes of Football History is released each Tuesday. I also periodically post longer documentary episodes featuring NFL legends. Please subscribe to the podcast and also visit TheGameBeforeTheMoney.com.

Ep 15: Gale Sayers -- 6 TDs in 1 Game! 5 Minutes of Football History

Tue, 16 Jun 2020 09:14:56 -0600

Chicago Bears rookie Gale Sayers scored on the Bears first possession against the San Francisco 49ers on December 12, 1965. He scored two more touchdowns in the second quarter. Then he kept right on scoring and didn't stop until he blasted the 49ers with six touchdowns on a cold and muddy afternoon at Wrigley Field.

Sayers became the third player in NFL history to score six touchdowns in one game. He, Ernie Nevers, and Dub Jones remain the only three players in NFL history to accomplish the feat. Hear the story of Gale Sayers' six touchdown day in this episode of The Game before the Money Podcast -- Five Minutes of Football History.

Five Minutes of Football History is released each Tuesday. I also periodically post longer documentary episodes featuring NFL legends. Please subscribe to the podcast and also visit TheGameBeforeTheMoney.com.

Ep 14: Coach Jake Gaither -- Legendary FAMU Coach -- 5 Minutes of Football History

Tue, 09 Jun 2020 10:14:31 -0600

Bengals legend Ken Riley recently passed away. In this Five Minutes of Football History we celebrate his college coach Jake Gaither. Coach Gaither stood as one of the most successful and respected coaches in college football for a quarter of a century. His Florida A and M program placed over 40 players into the NFL, including Hall of Famer Bob Hayes.

Five Minutes of Football History is released each Tuesday. I also periodically post longer documentary episodes featuring NFL legends. Please subscribe to the podcast and also visit TheGameBeforeTheMoney.com.

Ep 13: Great QBs Who Changed Teams - 5 Mins of FB History

Tue, 02 Jun 2020 10:51:53 -0600

In this weekly episode of 5 Minutes of Football History, I look at great quarterbacks who finished their careers with new teams, like Tom Brady is doing with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

5 Minutes of Football History comes out each Tuesday. I also periodically release documentary podcasts featuring NFL and college football legends. Please subscribe to the podcast and visit TheGameBeforeTheMoney.com for more info.

Ep 12: A Tribute to Don Shula -- 5 Mins of Football History

Tue, 26 May 2020 07:26:20 -0600

Don Shula stands as one of the greatest coaches in NFL history. His name is forever attached to the Miami Dolphins but he also coached another franchise to the Super Bowl.

Did you know that Shula also played in the NFL? Not only did he enjoy a 7-year playing career, he also played for two Hall of Fame coaches.

Learn about Don Shula's life and career in this episode of The Game before the Money Podcast. This episode is a "Five Minutes of Football History" segment. New episodes appear every Tuesday.

The Game before the Money Podcast is hosted and produced by Jackson Michael, author of The Game before the Money: Voices of the NFL. You can learn more at TheGameBeforeTheMoney.com.

Ep. 11: Pandemic Football -- Five Minutes of Football History

Tue, 19 May 2020 08:19:44 -0600

The Spanish Flu pandemic ravaged the 1918 College Football Season. Some teams didn't play a single game, while others played only three or four. Hear how major football teams such as Michigan, Notre Dame, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Pitt, and Nebraska were affected.

This is the first segment of our Five Minutes of Football History series that will appear on Tuesdays. Please subscribe to The Game before the Money Podcast today! Transcripts are available at TheGameBeforeTheMoney.com.

Episode 10: Marv Levy on his Hall of Fame Life and Career

Thu, 05 Mar 2020 19:36:29 -0600

Coach Levy led the Buffalo Bills to four straight Super Bowls. Most NFL fans know him for that epic run. His life story and coaching history proves incredible beyond that remarkable feat. In fact, when he became head coach at the University of California in 1960 he added a high school coach to his staff who later became one of the most successful head coaches in NFL history. Even more amazingly, there was even another future NFL coaching legend who attended Levy's practices at Cal. Hear Coach Levy share his memories of those days in this football history podcast.

Many fans will also be surprised to learn that his four Super Bowls with the Bills weren't Levy's first visits to the big game. He worked as an assistant to George Allen on the 1972 Washington Redskins in Super Bowl 7. Coach Levy shares his memory of that game and working for Allen with the Los Angeles Rams in this episode The Game Before the Money Podcast.

You'll step inside Coach Levy's office as he and Bills General Manager Bill Polian work a trade for star linebacker Cornelius Bennett. Coach Levy will also take you into the Bills' draft day war room as they select future Hall of Fame running back Thurman Thomas.

The Game Before the Money Podcast is hosted and produced by Jackson Michael, author of the book The Game Before the Money: Voices of the Men Who Built the NFL, an acclaimed oral history of pro football that includes interviews with 40 NFL legends, including Bart Starr, Frank Gifford, and Jack Youngblood.

Episode 9: Tom Osborne and Nebraska Football Pt. 2

Thu, 09 Jan 2020 19:25:04 -0600

This is part two of a two-part series with Tom Osborne. We delve into Coach Osborne's head coaching career in this episode. Osborne led Nebraska to three national championships in four years. He came literally within inches of winning two more national championships during the 1980s and missed yet another national championship in 1993 by a missed field goal at the end of the Orange Bowl.

Hear Coach Osborne discuss his halftime speech and play calling in an Orange Bowl victory over Miami that gave Nebraska the 1994 national championship. We also examine Coach Osborne's famous decision to go for two points at the end of the 1984 Orange Bowl. You will also listen to Coach Osborne explain the reasons behind Nebraska's changes to the option offense and the 4-3 defense, as well as a look into the team's innovative Unity Council -- all elements that helped elevate Nebraska football into college football's highest tier.

Relive some of Nebraska Cornhusker football's greatest moments in the 1980s and 1990s -- from the "Scoring Explosion" to the Tommy Frazier's amazing run against Florida, from the "Fumblerooskie" to the "Flea Kicker."

The Game Before the Money Podcast is produced and hosted by Jackson Michael, author of The Game before the Money: Voices of the Men Who Built the NFL and writer/director of We Were the Oilers: the Luv Ya Blue Era!. The podcast is sponsored by NBAutographs.com and the transcription partner is Sonix.ai. Special thanks to Coach Osborne, the University of Nebraska Press, and Teammates.org for this podcast.

EPISODE 8: Tom Osborne and Nebraska Football Part 1

Thu, 06 Jun 2019 11:21:17 -0600

Nebraska football coaching legend Tom Osborne joins The Game Before the Money Podcast. In Part 1 of a two-part series, we discuss his early life, his time working as an assistant for legendary Nebraska coach Bob Devaney, and Nebraska's back-to-back National Championships in 1970 and 1971.

You'll hear inside details about the Cornhuskers' game plan in their legendary 1971 Game of the Century showdown with Oklahoma, how Coach Osborne became an assistant and later head coach of the Cornhuskers, and a brief overview of Nebraska football history in the years before Bob Devaney arrived. Also hear about Coach Osborne's exceptional athletic career before he became an NCAA coaching icon.

What nicknames did Nebraska go by before they were the Cornhuskers? What traits made Bob Devaney a winning head coach? What famous beverage was created in Coach Osborne's hometown? Learn all of this and more in "Tom Osborne and Nebraska Football -- Part 1" on The Game Before the Money Podcast.

EPISODE 7: John Wooten -- Browns Legend, 64 NFL Championship, Stories of Jim Brown, Paul Brown, Ernie Davis

Mon, 22 Apr 2019 17:46:30 -0600

John Wooten truly is a legend. Coming into the NFL in 1959, he blocked for Jim Brown, played for Paul Brown, and was a key part of the 1964 Cleveland Browns NFL championship team. Hear him share stories of his friendships with Ernie Davis and Muhammad Ali, including great info on the famous "Cleveland Summit" with Ali, Jim Brown, Bill Russell, and many other sports superstars. In college, he helped the Colorado Buffaloes to the Orange Bowl.

John worked as a scout for the Dallas Cowboys for 16 years, then worked for the Eagles and Ravens. He now chairs the Fritz Pollard Alliance. He worked with Commissioner Pete Rozelle and other NFL legends to establish an important program to develop African-Americans for coaching and front office positions. John's amazing story -- which includes working with Pete Rozelle to avoid filing a discrimination lawsuit against the NFL in the 1960s and Clemson mailing a threatening letter to Colorado before the 1957 Orange Bowl because he and a teammate were African-American -- is told in this episode.

Episode 6: Eddie Meador -- LA Rams All-Time Interception Leader

Sat, 05 Jan 2019 13:40:19 -0600

Eddie Meador played defensive back for the Los Angeles Rams from 1959-1970. The Pro Football Hall of Fame named him to their 1960s All-Decade Team. Nearly 50 years after his last game, Eddie still holds Rams team records for interceptions, blocked kicks, fumble recoveries, and is tied for the franchise lead in interceptions returned for touchdowns.

He joins The Game Before the Money Podcast to share stories of growing up in Arkansas, his difficulty of getting into college football, and his glory days with the Rams playing for George Allen and with the legendary Fearsome Foursome.

The Game Before the Money Podcast is hosted, produced, and edited by author Jackson Michael. The podcast is presented by NB Autographs -- https://NBAutographs.com.

Learn more about The Game Before the Money at https://thegamebeforethemoney.com.

Episode 5: Terry Baker -- 1962 Heisman Trophy Winner

Wed, 28 Nov 2018 11:02:32 -0600

TERRY BAKER won the 1962 Heisman Trophy. He also played in the 1963 Final Four. Sports Illustrated named him Sportsman of the Year in 1962, and he was the first-overall pick of the 1963 NFL Draft. He played professionally for the Los Angeles Rams.

Hear his amazing stories about winning the Heisman, playing in the Final Four, and meeting President Kennedy. Also hear the story behind his record-breaking 99 yard touchdown run.

The Game Before the Money Podcast is hosted by Jackson Michael, author of The Game Before the Money: Voices of the Men Who Built the NFL, published by the University of Nebraska Press. The podcast is presented by NBAutographs.com.

Episode 4: Bert Bell -- The Great Commissioner

Thu, 25 Oct 2018 16:01:08 -0600

Bert Bell founded the Philadelphia Eagles in 1933. In 1946, he took over as NFL Commissioner. His innovations provide a backbone for the modern game and pro sports in general. A few of his innovations include: the player draft, overtime, and the weekly injury report. He also vaulted the NFL into the age of television. Learn the backstories to these innovations -- as well as Bell's role in the foundation of the American Football League -- from Bell's son, Upton Bell, in this episode of The Game before the Money Podcast.

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Episode 3: Ron McDole -- Bills AFL Championships, Redskins Over the Hill Gang

Sat, 29 Sep 2018 18:21:52 -0600

Ron McDole on The Game Before the Money Podcast. He is the NFL's all-time leader in interceptions by a defensive lineman. His storied 18-year career includes winning the 1964 and 1965 AFL Championships with the Buffalo Bills, and playing in Super Bowl 7 as part of Washington's Over the Hill Gang. Please visit our website, https://TheGameBeforeTheMoney.com . Podcast Brought to you by NBAutographs.com .

Episode 2: Pete Koch -- Bengals, Chiefs, Raiders -- Film Star

Mon, 17 Sep 2018 15:41:35 -0600

Pete Koch joins The Game before the Money podcast. Pete was a first-round draft pick of the Bengals in 1984, and later played for the Kansas City Chiefs and Los Angeles Raiders. He also starred with Clint Eastwood in the movie Heartbreak Ridge.

He discusses what it was like to be a first-round draft pick, the glory years of the 1980s AFC West, and what made Howie Long such an exceptional defensive lineman.

Episode 1: Chad Hennings -- Dallas Cowboys Legend, 3x Super Bowl Champ

Thu, 06 Sep 2018 19:15:01 -0600

Dallas Cowboys legend Chad Hennings joins The Game Before the Money. The 3x Super Bowl Champ discusses the adversity the Cowboys overcame to win, his fighter jet experience in the Gulf War, and assiting others toward their own victories.

The Game Before the Money Podcast -- Preseason Episode

Thu, 23 Aug 2018 16:39:00 -0600

Opening episode describing podcast and announcing first guests. Take a step back in time with pro and college football legends. Based on the book, The Game before the Money: Voices of the Men Who Built the NFL, published by the University of Nebraska Press.